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Hey, what's up guys? I'm new to the forum and so far I'm seeing a lot of great threads in here. However, I searched for my specific dilemma and came up snake eyes. So for the past 4 months or so I've noticed that the car seamed under powered and it started given more feedback shake through the steering wheel at stop lights. So I thought it might be time for a tune up. I started running some seafoam through it to try and clean the injectors up a bit and bring some pep back to no avail either. Yesterday it through a check engine light for a short period of time. I went and had it scanned today to see if the DTC was still in the memory which it was. The old P0017 DTC. So the question is, where the heck do I go from hear. Everything I read people say they go after the cam sensors first and it usually doesn't help because it always ends up being sloppy timing chains. Well the car just hit 105,000 miles and has only ever had synthetic run through it being changed at regular intervals. I can't believe I've got sloppy timing chains at 105K. Am I wrong? Would sloppy chains really make it loose power? That's why I think I might have something that's tricking the VVT in to keeping the cam timing in a retard state like 100% of the time. What would cause that? any thoughts?

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If the chains are loose or with slack..the cam will be out of position relative to the crank angle...So the possibility that the chains are sloppy and throwing a P0017 code is feasible.

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If the chains are loose or with slack..the cam will be out of position relative to the crank angle...So the possibility that the chains are sloppy and throwing a P0017 code is feasible.

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I think I'm agreeing with you. In saying that, I can't for the life of me find anything about how to install the chain replacement kits. All the youtube vids seam to be 3.6L vvt's. Does anyone know of any good threads on swapping out the timing chains on a 2010 3.0L Terrain? Also, why won't GM take care of the people with the early 2009 built 2010 Terrains and their shitty timing chains. Apparaently in July of 2010, GM new there was an issue with the chains and started swapping in new robust chains. Mine was a early 2009 build. I just hit 105k and have to do a timing chain, that's junk if you ask me.
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why won't GM take care of the people with the early 2009 built 2010 Terrains and their shitty timing chains.that's junk if you ask me.
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I hear ya..GM is also giving the cold shoulder to the 4 cylinder folks that have issue with the PCV plugging up and then the engine blows a main crank seal...they won't honor that issue either, also being well documented as a big problem with certain VIN ranges...

The bastards:mad:

Have you tried calling a dealership and get a price on parts or better yet a local indy shop?
 

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I hear ya..GM is also giving the cold shoulder to the 4 cylinder folks that have issue with the PCV plugging up and then the engine blows a main crank seal...they won't honor that issue either, also being well documented as a big problem with certain VIN ranges...

The bastards:mad:

Have you tried calling a dealership and get a price on parts or better yet a local indy shop?
I've been getting quotes anywhere from 3800.00 out the door to 2270.00 out the door. If I just buy the parts, right around 500 for the kit which I've been able to find online for half that not including antifreeze and oil. Sucks because I just changed the oil. lol If I buy the parts, I still can't find anywhere on how to install it. A **** service manual is 350.00 alone.
 

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I have a 2011 Terrain 4 cyl. Spent the last year with the engine making terrible noises and stalling when you slow down to park or exit traffic. I have replaced the timing chain twice in the last 6 months after a year of stalling. Replaced the selanoid valves 3 times. Engine light was still coming on. Finally got GM to replace the cam shaft even though my car did not fall into the recall vin numbers. I have all the classic symptoms of the special recall...11195A

From what I have read you need to change the oil every 2k miles, even with this your engine is destined to fail.
Mine is running fine now but im sure the timing chain will fail again...so I am putting it for sale.

FYI 90k miles but since Im in Canada the warranty on cars runs out at 60k kilometers

CONDITION
General Motors has decided to conduct a Voluntary Emission Recall involving certain 2011
Buick LaCrosse, Regal; Chevrolet Equinox; and GMC Terrain vehicles equipped with a 2.4L
gas engine (LAF). On these vehicles, the camshaft position actuator solenoid may stick,
resulting in the illumination of the malfunction indicator light, rough idle, poor driveability,
and/or possible stalling at low throttle opening.
CORRECTION
Dealers are to reprogram the engine control module, and if necessary, replace the camshaft
position actuator solenoid valves.
VEHICLES INVOLVED
Involved are certain 2011 model year Buick LaCrosse, Regal; Chevrolet Equinox; and GMC
Terrain vehicles equipped with a 2.4L gas engine (LAF).
Important: Dealers are to confirm vehicle eligibility prior to beginning repairs by using the
Required Field Actions section in the Global Warranty system. Not all vehicles
may be involved.
For dealers with involved vehicles, a listing with involved vehicles containing the complete
vehicle identification number, customer name, and address information has been prepared
and will be provided to US and Canadian dealers through the GM GlobalConnect Recall
Page 2 August 2011 Bulletin No.: 11195A
Reports, or sent directly to export dealers. Dealers will not have a report available if they
have no involved vehicles currently assigned.
PART INFORMATION
Parts required to complete this recall are to be obtained from General Motors Customer Care
and Aftersales (GMCC&A). Please refer to your “involved vehicles listing” before ordering
parts. Normal orders should be placed on a DRO = Daily Replenishment Order. In an
emergency situation, parts should be ordered on a CSO = Customer Special Order.
Part Number Description Quantity/Vehicle
12628347 Valve, Cm/Shf Posn Actr Int Sol 1 (If Req'd)
12628348 Valve, Cm/Shf Posn Actr Exh Sol 1 (If Req'd)
SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Determine the vehicle status.
If the vehicle is still in dealer inventory, reprogram the ECM with the latest calibration.
Refer to ECM Programming in this bulletin. Do NOT replace the camshaft position
actuator solenoid valves.
If the vehicle has been delivered to the customer, reprogram the ECM and replace the
camshaft position actuator solenoid valves. Refer to Engine Controls - Camshaft
Position Actuator Solenoid Valve Replacement in SI.
ECM Programming
Do not attempt to order the calibration number from GM Customer Care and Aftersales. The
calibration numbers required for this service procedure are programmed into control modules
via a Multiple Diagnostic Interface (MDI) or Tech 2® diagnostic scan tool and TIS2WEB with
the calibration update. Use TIS2WEB on or after 6/23/11 to obtain the calibration. If you
cannot access the calibration, call the Techline Customer Support Center at 1-800-828-6860
 
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